User talk:Gryllida: Difference between revisions

Hi Gryllida! I think you are the person to talk to about the Duplication Detector? It is currently showing a status of “503 – Service Not Available”. This has been happening for at least a few days. If you have time to look at it that would be great. Thanks,— Diannaa (talk) 17:30, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Restarted the webservice. Should work now. –Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 18:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I am once again getting “503 – Service Not Available”.— Diannaa (talk) 20:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry – confirmed this error is happening now still. (Previous times, it crashed on some complicated page compares, and restarting webservice normally fixed it before.) I am checking now, will keep you updated. –Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 20:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please try now. (Needed to stop the webservice completely, wait a minute, and start it again. Appears to work for me.) –Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 21:21, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It’s just sitting there spinning. It looks like it’s going to time out.— Diannaa (talk) 21:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What about v2? It is the same software, just in a subdirectory – possibly not that many people trying to access it at the same time. Appears to load much faster for me. –Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 21:29, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

loaded once on the Chromebook but I can’t get it to load a second time. I got to load once on a Window-based machine but now it won’t load either verson – the’re just sitting there spinning for ~10 minutes and then went to “502 bad gateway”.— Diannaa (talk) 21:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I get the same results on the Windows-based machine using Chrome or Firefox.— Diannaa (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, for troubleshooting, now I’ve disabled the index.php and left only v2 available. (I’m trying to understand whether it’s a bug with the server, or a bug with one specific page comparison request that someone keeps trying to make. Disabling the normal URL helps with eliminating the latter problem.) Could you please try to compare the two pages ‘ and ‘ as a first test? If that works, then try to compare your desired pages again. Sorry for the inconvenience; it might be an intermittent problem. –Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 22:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think you might be misunderstanding me. I can’t even get the webpage to load. It’s timing out with errors 502 bad gateway or 503 service not available. It occasionally loads after about 10 minutes but that’s useless to patrollers. — Diannaa (talk) 22:15, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I will request help from other toolforge users and keep you updated. This seems like persistent and intermittent issue. Thank you for testing it. –Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 22:45, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stuck because of hardware issues, exacerbated by issues from heavy rain. 🙁 Sorry for the delay. If you post on this list or Wikipedia Technical Village Pump, and someone wishes to volunteer with debugging, I can give them access. PHP knowledge and debian-based sysadmin knowledge are required. Prior experience with running a tool at Wikimedia is desired. Presence on IRC at Libera Chat at the #wikimedia-cloud channel highly recommended. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 04:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Curious if anyone else has taken a look at this yet as you suggested! Thanks. — Wikipedical (talk) 21:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just checking on the status of this – if it looks like it’s going to be permanent I’ve been asked to update the relevant templates, but if there’s a chance it can be restored at some point then I’ll keep the temporary fix I recently made to avoid the deadlinks in the short term. (please ping on reply) Primefac (talk) 11:01, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see you’re back now, just checking on the status. Primefac (talk) 20:39, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, this is 503 still. I’m attempting to regain ssh access now. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 07:43, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Loaded fine for me today morning as I was just going to query a few php related forums for assistance… Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 01:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Gryllida. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, “Activ8me Internet Service Provider”.

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Gryllida. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, “TeamApp”.

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I know you’re trying to help the user, but because all of the content at issue was deleted, which you can’t see, you have no way of understanding what happened. This is exacerbated by the fact that the user’s English is subpar, and although they characterize the deleted content as “articles”, no articles or even potential articles were deleted. Indeed, I don’t even understand why the user is so desperate to copy the deleted content. Thanks for your understanding.–Bbb23 (talk) 13:52, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do not create an unblock request for the user. I reverted it. You’re going well beyond what you are entitled to do.–Bbb23 (talk) 21:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23 perhaps a sprinkling of WP:AGF would be in order here? Gryllida was actively assisting MrPathetic89 in the live chat at the time, so this is hardly the egregious problem that your warning would make it seem to be. stwalkerster (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Stwalkerster: As you can see in my first post above, I did assume good faith, and regardless of what you think, I assumed good faith even in Gryllida’s fashioning an unblock request for the user. I just don’t think it’s acceptable for them to do that. It’s one thing if the user obviously attempts to create an unblock request but, for example, mangles the template, and another user fixes it, but Gryllida just made various assumptions as to what the user wishes. As have you in your edit summaries and your decline of the unblock request (reinstated by you). What the user wants is to be able to take all those deleted pages and copy them somewhere off-wiki. The fact that they are unencyclopedic is irrelevant, at least to what the user wants.–Bbb23 (talk) 21:53, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you entirely about the substance of the unblock request (hence why I’ve declined it). They’re clearly not here to build an encyclopedia. I have no objection if someone else wants to copy-paste the content of the deleted pages and send it to them off-wiki, but a restoration is inappropriate. This user was attempting to request an unblock, and did mangle the template (by taking the “Reason for unblock ~~~~” bit instead of the full “{{unblock|reason=Reason for unblock ~~~~}}” – I’ll accept that it may not be the most obvious point given the lack of transparency from the IRC chat though. Gryllida made no assumptions about the user’s wishes. stwalkerster (talk) 22:03, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it was by their live chat request; thanks for helping them access their deleted content. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 03:25, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Gryllida,

I’m here to remind you of the fact that I have archived your abandoned essay in an old version of User:Gryllida to my userpage User:NmWTfs85lXusaybq/Gryllida. I did this to fixed three redirects you left in the project space, including Wikipedia:SEEL, Wikipedia:SERV and Wikipedia:SRV. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Thanks, NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, this looks awesome, NmWTfs85lXusaybq. I’ve now added a link to your copy from my user page. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 00:45, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kia ora! I see you left a message on the New Zealand Wikipedians’ notice board, and was wondering you would be able to help me with my draft Draft:Nate Wilbourne? I’m not too sure how to make it ‘neutral’ as I believe it already is… Cheers, Max Maxclayman (talk) 06:38, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it is already published. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 16:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Heyyyy Grillyda,
I wanted to see if you can help take a look at this draft I submitted for review Draft:Dotts Media House. I’m still looking at ways to make it better and doing that but also thought it was ready to be published. Kindly help take a look if you can as this will also improve my editing as well. Thanks mate!
Olakunle Rufai (talk) 23:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations on getting it published. Are you writing another draft soon? Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 22:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Missed it. Thanks though. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 22:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is my message. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 00:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Polygnotus (talk) 18:36, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Polygnotus Thanks. I copied to my User:Gryllida/common.js now in console I get `VM243:1 Parse error: Unexpected: … on line 110 in User:Gryllida/common.js` ? Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 04:47, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In `let mergedCitation = {…citoidData, …web2CitData};` line. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 04:48, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Polygnotus could you please assist with the above? Regards, — Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 11:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am waiting for User:DLynch (WMF)’s response.

Based on my very limited understanding it seems like it would be very easy for the WMF to enable the extension. They already have some system to deal with the fact that different wikis and languages use different ways to reference. That would be a far better solution because it would be available to all users, not just to those who discovered and installed a script. Polygnotus (talk) 11:20, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

well i would like to edit script meanwhile… interested to know the syntax quoted above that triggers an error. (they could take weeks to deploy that extension, and I am writing new articles now, every day) Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 11:59, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Try again. Polygnotus (talk) 14:07, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your userpage says I usually edit with Debian GNU/Linux, with WindowMaker. The web browser is not very good – if you know of a Wikipedia editing app for Mac OS, or for GNUstep, I would be interested to know more. Please leave me a message.

Are you using GNOME Web aka Epiphany? I would recommend Firefox. Polygnotus (talk) 14:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am using firefox or chrome. Do not remember which it was at time of that error, sorry. Bit difficult to reply as I miss notifications. Do you use Libera Chat? Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 10:56, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not use IRC. Have you tried this? Polygnotus (talk) 14:02, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Polygnotus

This version, when in visual edit mode, inserts a source template in nowiki tags. Not convenient.

1) How do I make it insert the actual template, for when in visual edit mode?

2) How do I make that button appear in Source editing more (with same toolbar as visual editor) also?

Many thanks. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 05:18, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know. I don’t use the Visual Editor. I do not understand the WMF. I strongly dislike JavaScript.

Maybe User:DLynch (WMF) is willing to help you. He has made only 85 edits in a decade, so maybe email him?

The people at WP:VPT or at WP:SCRIPTREQ may be able to help.

There is a decent chance the WMF is actually some kind of art project that I am too uncultured to understand. Polygnotus (talk) 05:56, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

JavaScript is disdainfully slow and laggy, and causes parts of the page to change on the fly without the user expecting this. It also does a lot of work which the user didn’t ask for. I do not like JavaScript very much because of these reasons.

The objective of writing this utility is to save the user from needing to copy the source’s URL, title, date, authors, and typing the publisher manually. This is time consuming. So having some code execute, on request, to provide markup for a source template seems like a reasonable goal to me.

Without JavaScript, to accomplish this goal, the user would need to send URL to a server and server would return the markup for the source template – that would work equally well for me. Unfortunately, finding code for querying citoid on server is not that easy. I tried it once, to write a code to edit a wiki page, it failed because editing with OAuth is terribly difficult. So it would need to involve asking the user to manually copy and paste markup from another tab.

For now I made a small edit to the script, so the button only shows in source editing mode. That works well for me as a start and saves a lot of time. I greatly appreciate your help.

If you would like to explain me how to accomplish the same task on server side, I’m happy to learn about that.

Regards, — Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 06:08, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]